Todd Werth:

Welcome back to React Native Radio Podcast, brought to you by the New Jersey Waste Management and Drone Security company. We heard you had a complaint about the noise. We'll send someone over real soon to talk to you. Episode 3 17, 20 24. React, native of Rewind.

Jamon Holmgren:

Hey everybody. We are about to embark on our last episode of 2024. I'm Jamon, she's Robin, he's Mazen, and we are React Native Radio.

Robin Heinze:

Hello.

Jamon Holmgren:

So it's going to be a fun one also. I didn't get a lot of sleep last night, so if this ends up being a mess, then that's my fault. If it ends up sounding good, then that is to the editor's credit. So we have a lot of stuff to go over because we're going to be doing a recap of the year. So really quickly before we do that, let's hear from our sponsor. Infinite Red. Infinite Red is a Premier React native consultancy located fully remote in the us. We're a team of 30 senior plus level React native developers and support staff and we've been doing this for about a decade. If you are looking for React native expertise for your next project, hit us up at Infinite Red slash Radio. Don't forget to mention that you heard about us through the React Native Radio podcast, specifically the last one of 2024. Alright, let's do this. The topic today is 2024 React native, rewind the year in review. So when we sat down Maoz and Robin and I to do a bunch of prep, I dunno, we came up with, it was like 40 different things. There was a lot of stuff, a ton,

Robin Heinze:

A lot of stuff happened this year.

Jamon Holmgren:

It was a big year for React native itself.

Robin Heinze:

A lot of announcements, a lot of conferences, some big impactful releases.

Jamon Holmgren:

Major announcements,

Jamon Holmgren:

Yeah, big time and obviously we don't have time to go through it all, so we're going to have to just kind of speed run through this. We did a recap last year. I think it was also kind of early. I just want to mention that after we released it, there were a couple of things that happened. React Deron 3.0 was released first major upgrade in quite some time and then also React Native 0.73 came out which had debugging improvements and stable sim links. And then we started the year and in January we had expo router version three came out, which had API routes and bundle splitting and web exports

Robin Heinze:

Added a lot of stability too. We have a client project where we converted to Expo router after they released V three, so that was a big release for them

Mazen Chami:

Big time. And I'm on a project that is using expo router from out the gates, so we started with V three and now we're on V four.

Jamon Holmgren:

Yeah, that's awesome. Of course router came out before this year, but it's really become mature this year

Robin Heinze:

And

Jamon Holmgren:

Along with it in early 24 we also had the expo SDK 50 came out. I don't actually remember a lot from that release. We're not going to be going over it too much, but I also, so usually software mentioned does the State of React native survey and that's going on right now as well, so go fill it out if you haven't. But just speaking about February this year, they actually released the results, so that was for 2023 and it showed a lot more adoption.

Robin Heinze:

It'll be interesting to see what the results will be next year, what kinds of things are going to change. I'm sure we'll do an episode about the results when they come out in a couple months.

Jamon Holmgren:

We did about the 23 ones as well, 2 88,

Mazen Chami:

I'm trying to remember. That was an episode with the three of us going over the results, but I do remember we did an episode with bartech, was that this year also where we went over,

Robin Heinze:

We did

Mazen Chami:

How he goes through and comes up with the different questions along those lines.

Robin Heinze:

Yeah, that's right from Software Mansion.

Mazen Chami:

Yeah, it's

Jamon Holmgren:

Nice to see that behind the scenes.

Mazen Chami:

Exactly. That was more behind the scenes. How do you come up with your questions, how does the form look? And we did mention how much we like the form and all the different charts and all that he does. So yeah, r and r two 90, the State of React native survey with bartowski, that's where we went over the survey like we talked about.

Robin Heinze:

It's so cool that Software Mansion just does that.

Mazen Chami:

Yeah, it's really

Jamon Holmgren:

Helpful

Robin Heinze:

For the good of the community and every year the website for the survey gets more and more elaborate. It's pretty cool this year it has a reading list, so as you're going through, if you're marking stuff that you're interested in, you can click a little plus and it'll add it to your reading list to go review after the survey, which is pretty cool.

Jamon Holmgren:

That is super cool. Meta also announced Style X, which is I guess a styling system which also has React native support, which of course is in progress. So that happened in early, that was around February as well. And then big news in March, Microsoft announced the app center was going to be retired and kind of shook up the React native world a bit because a lot of people were,

Robin Heinze:

Well we've been kind of talking about it since then. I mean the fallout from that and places like Expo and with EAS and everything and sent and all of these companies that are coming in to pick up the pieces and fill in the gaps that app center's going to leave behind is kind of been one of the major stories for the rest of the year ever since they made that announcement.

Jamon Holmgren:

We did a couple of episodes, 2 94 and three 12 about app center retiring and what you could do. I also did a blog post and kind of talked about what people could do,

Robin Heinze:

Which it is crazy because App Center was so central too. The early days of React native it seemed like they kind of went hand in hand and everyone was using Code Push and it was a big deal and it's kind of the end of an era and it's sort of welcoming the expo era instead of the app center era.

Mazen Chami:

And I also hopped on React Universe on air with Ash from Call Stack and Quinn from Expo to do a collaboration with React Native Radio, which we also released. That's right on the retirement of app center.

Jamon Holmgren:

We also got some kind of cool news. We figured out that NASA was using Ignite our boilerplate for an app to track the International Space Station. So we did an episode with them in March RNR 2 96, so that was a fun one, getting to see some of our work kind of involved with nasa. That was very exciting.

Robin Heinze:

I thought that was pretty cool. I've actually used that app before we even knew that this was a thing.

Jamon Holmgren:

Yeah, it's a fun app. React Native Ski or 1.0 came out, it'd been out before, but 1.0 came out in March as well.

Robin Heinze:

There was also a vision camera integration with Ski A as well. So Skia was in the headlines?

Jamon Holmgren:

Yeah,

Robin Heinze:

Quite a few times this year.

Jamon Holmgren:

It was, yeah, ski is just cool as another option for a renderer and then also Blue Sky, the social media app. They are open source. They're one of the biggest React native open source projects out there. We have a note in here that they had a UI text view, open source something. What was that about Robin?

Robin Heinze:

It's basically a drop in replacement for just the React native text component, but it adds some nice native side enhancements I think on iOS specifically. But it's nice Blue Sky coming in as this pretty major company choosing React native as their technology and building out in the open giving back to the community was a huge boon for React Native.

Jamon Holmgren:

And then React Navigation 7.0 beta came out in March as well, which had the static API and better TypeScript support as well. And we did an episode about that 3 0 4 man. We did a bunch of episodes this year

Mazen Chami:

And that's been released since then. I think in November or December.

Robin Heinze:

That was the beta, which came out in March and I think the main release came out

Jamon Holmgren:

Early November and then we had React native 74 came out in April and that was bridge list by default with the new architectures and we did an episode about that, of course 2 91 where we talked about the dev menu, but we also talked about that release and then React 19 came out, had some new hooks, a bunch of cool stuff that was React 19 beta

Mazen Chami:

I believe, or RC at that point. It was officially released in December 19.

Jamon Holmgren:

Oh, okay. And then there's a new tool command line tool for testing new architecture, compatibility, NPX, new Arc.

Robin Heinze:

I mean, yeah, in general, this is kind of when we started to see the core team kind of trying to prepare everyone like hey, the new architecture is coming soon. Spoiler alert, we'll catch to that later in the episode. But really trying to assess community community readiness and get people to start preparing their apps for the new architecture, they called it

Mazen Chami:

New architecture stabilization or something along those lines where they were closing in the gap between old and new architecture to be, well, not closing in the gap, shifting more towards the new architecture and making the gap bigger to old architecture.

Robin Heinze:

A lot of expo and a lot of the other teams outside of the core team have also played a huge role in that. So yeah, this is when we started to see the writing on the wall of what was coming.

Jamon Holmgren:

Yeah, I think in 2023 everybody was pretty, well still old architecture, but 2024 was a year of transitioning and that's really I think the biggest story out of 2024 was this transition over to new architecture, which we'll talk about. We'll get there a bit later in the year too. Yeah, expo SDK 51 came out on May. There was also Expo Atlas, which is an awesome tool for visualizing your bundle size and whatnot. And there was also the React native IDE beta, which was later renamed to radon id, which is

Robin Heinze:

A really cool name by the way.

Jamon Holmgren:

Yeah, it is a cool,

Robin Heinze:

Really cool name. There was a lot of excitement around that tool, which was a software, another software mansion tool because it brought in a more consistent experience similar to what Java devs or other, or pretty much any other dev in the world that has this really integrated IDE with debugging and break points and all of this and sort of brought that to React native, which has been missing for a long time.

Mazen Chami:

And we did an episode with Christophe Magera, RNR 3 0 9, I think it was Robin, you and I where we talked to him, him early on before the beta, I think it was before the beta was released, but then the episode release was part of

Robin Heinze:

The release, I think it was after the beta but before the stable.

Mazen Chami:

Correct. It was still named React native

Robin Heinze:

IDE at the time. Yes. They had not renamed it right on yet.

Jamon Holmgren:

Then yeah, later in May there was the return of React Comp and I got a chance to go there. I hosted a React native panel on day two, which was really fun. And I think the biggest news out of there were basically two big things. There was Evan Bacon's talk about using React server components in expo and then there was the React compiler, which used to be called React Forget, but now it's called React Compiler, and that is still I think 2025. We're going to see more of that, but right now it's just kind of an exciting idea for improving performance and developer experience within React and React native. So the React compiler, big big news out of React conf

Mazen Chami:

And we were talking about open source with Blue Sky earlier. The React Conf app was also released as open source and it gave a sneak peek into how to use the compiler and all the best practices coming out of Meta and Expo.

Jamon Holmgren:

There was also JS Comp, which we had a couple of, so Frank and Frank and Gantt went to that conference and had a good time in Poland. And then we actually hit our 300th episode in June. Oh we did. Where we did sort of this ask us anything episode, which was really fun. Yeah.

Robin Heinze:

Now have we reached the point where we have done more episodes than the previous owners of the podcast? We took it over at 180 or something like that.

Jamon Holmgren:

Yeah, we're closing in

Mazen Chami:

On that actually. Yeah, we is wild. The release of this episode will be about three 17. Okay, so that's close. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. That is

Jamon Holmgren:

Amazing.

Robin Heinze:

Yay us. Thank you for listening

Jamon Holmgren:

Very much. So

Robin Heinze:

We couldn't do it without you guys.

Jamon Holmgren:

Thank you for putting up with us. Thank you for putting up with Tired me. And then in July of 2024, we did Chain React 2024, which is obviously a huge deal for us. It's kind of our Super Bowl and we had Jed Bartowski, our director of operations on, and we talked about stories from Chain React in React Native Radio 3 0 3, which we released right after, before we actually did a Chain React mini episode as well. So we did a couple episodes about Chain React and Chain React was amazing

Robin Heinze:

As usual. It's the best. It's our little pride and joy

Jamon Holmgren:

In August. Then React native 0.75 came out and that actually was sort of setting the stage a bit,

Robin Heinze:

Right? It was a quieter release. There wasn't a ton going on in that one because like you said, it was gearing up for the big one, which we'll get to in just a second. But there were some cool little changes like percentage values in layouts, a couple other fun things, but nothing huge in 75, mostly just a stabilizing release.

Mazen Chami:

As you can tell, there was no expo release that matched up with this one. So it was just more of meta getting the release out there and then Expo waiting for the next one to handle it.

Robin Heinze:

So Expo SDK 51 went with reacting to 74 and then 52 went with 76, so there wasn't even a major expo release for 75, which is kind of a shame because 75 is such a nice round number, they couldn't have made it happen.

Jamon Holmgren:

I know Mark Avi's been very busy this year. This guy has been doing so much stuff.

Robin Heinze:

Oh, has he ever? I mentioned briefly the vision camera V four release, which included ski support, that's Mark Avi, but his bigger release was Nitro Modules, which we had him on the show to talk about in episode three 10 I believe.

Jamon Holmgren:

It's kind of funny because we keep talking about, we had this episode, we had this episode. The reality is we didn't actually look at our episodes to do this. We looked at other news sources and we came up with all these important events throughout the year and we just happen to have episodes about almost all of it. So that's pretty cool.

Robin Heinze:

I mean that's really how we get our content is we kind of take the pulse of what's going on in the community and what people are interested in and that's what we make our episodes about and it just kind of works out that way that we tell the story of React native for the year.

Jamon Holmgren:

So Nitro Modules is pretty awesome. And then in September I went to React Universe. So did Moin. Moin got to do his first talk there.

Robin Heinze:

He didn't just, yeah, he didn't just go. I tagged a along. He spoke

Jamon Holmgren:

Exactly. And I guess we didn't mention, but Robin also spoke at Chain React this year, so yeah, how important. You did great Mazen did as well and all

Robin Heinze:

Three of us, all three US had our time on the stage this year.

Jamon Holmgren:

This is true. Yeah. I guess I was a React conf as well as Chain React. I had another panel there. I love doing panels. React Universe was fun and I got to hang out with Mark Nitro modules. He kind of showed that off there at Core contributor Meetup, which was fun. And then also Evan Bacon announced expo dom components and of course Evan's always turning out amazing stuff and Dom components from him is really cool. You get to use Dom and you get to see actually you can actually bring in web views and seamlessly integrate them with your project, which is really, really fun.

Robin Heinze:

And then we get to October, which is the big one.

Jamon Holmgren:

Yes, the big one. React native 0.76. We've

Robin Heinze:

Been teasing this the whole episode.

Jamon Holmgren:

Yeah, this one, it's kind of like the culmination of the year where they made the new architecture the default.

Robin Heinze:

So if you start a new React native project, react native in it, it will use the new architecture. There's still obviously a long ways to go for projects that already exist and converting those over, but this will ensure that the majority of new projects will just start out using the new architecture and make that the way of the future.

Mazen Chami:

Yeah, I'd like to point out that Frank Calise, who our listeners are well aware of who he is, was on the release team for that.

Robin Heinze:

Yes, he was. He's been getting a lot more involved with the court team and we're very happy and proud of him.

Jamon Holmgren:

He is been a fantastic representative for Infinite Red and just kind of helping the community is always in there helping people with Ignite and everything too.

Mazen Chami:

That was the third episode of the year, right? 74, 75, 76 and I believe 77,

Robin Heinze:

That was the third release of the year.

Mazen Chami:

And the 77 should be coming out in December, late December,

Robin Heinze:

Well

Mazen Chami:

Probably early January at this point, but yeah.

Robin Heinze:

Oh yeah, three. I mean it follows that they attempt to roughly release one every quarter to have three to four in the year.

Jamon Holmgren:

Then spoiler, I'll be on the release team for that one.

Robin Heinze:

What?

Jamon Holmgren:

Nice. Yeah, I forgot you're also involved in that and helping with releasing.

Robin Heinze:

Well, that'll make a really good reactive of 77 recap episode.

Mazen Chami:

Yeah, January 13th, market

Jamon Holmgren:

Calendars. Yeah, it wasn't the only thing that happened in October, there was also React native dev tools was announced, which has gone through a few different names and we did talk about it in r and r three 16, I think it was called the React Native JavaScript Inspector at one point. It's been colloquially called the new

Robin Heinze:

Debugger

Jamon Holmgren:

Debugger React native dev tools is really kind of what they're going with, which does overlap with I think an older thing also called React native dev tools. So you have to be a little careful with that.

Robin Heinze:

But I think finally I've been really happy to see that 2024 has been kind of the year of developer experience. We've got the IDE radon ID and now we have the React native dev tools, which is a much more official complete debugging experience than what we've had for many, many years

Jamon Holmgren:

As well as Atlas and React Deron three and all of these things that have come out recently. Yeah, it's been a big year for sure.

Robin Heinze:

It has been a big year and I think it's a signal of React native really coming into its place as a mainstream mature framework that big companies use and that really seasoned developers who expect a seasoned developer experience are going to feel at home. And so I think it's really good markers for the future.

Mazen Chami:

And Alex Hunt got to tease the new debugger at React Universe earlier, but we just had the episode with him in October sort of thing. But also October was the release of Ignite X, so we can't forget

Robin Heinze:

That. That's right. October was a big

Mazen Chami:

Right, big. And we had Frank on r and r three 11 to talk about that

Jamon Holmgren:

And I took most of October off, so that just shows you how much I'm in the

Robin Heinze:

Game. Anytime we want to make a bunch of progress, we're just going to send you on vacation.

Jamon Holmgren:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I was only actually in my office working for one week out of October. I was on vacation for two weeks and then we had our team retreat.

Robin Heinze:

Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, that was a big month.

Jamon Holmgren:

That's why I've been behind on my email ever since. In November we had React Native London, which was a new conference that was started by the same people who did React native or sorry, who did the React native meetup in London. And I want to mention again that Blue sky has continued to, it not only became a big deal because it's an open source code base, but also because React native developers kind of just moved there. At least a bunch of them did. Not everybody,

Robin Heinze:

It felt like it was really bizarre. It felt overnight almost that most of the tech circles that I am in on social media were all of a sudden on Blue Sky instead of Twitter. And it brought a lot of visibility to Blue Sky and the team at Blue Sky and the fact that they're React native and I think will be a good place for the React native community.

Mazen Chami:

It was such a big jump. I remember logging on Twitter one day and seeing a blue butterfly and be like, whatever. And then eventually being like, okay, I'm going to jump on this Blue butterfly trend. And then the next thing I know, I saw someone posted, I believe it was actually Todd, our CEO posted the blue sky C was on CNN doing an interview also. So it's like their emergency,

Robin Heinze:

It's for Blue Sky. We're doing this now

Mazen Chami:

So quick and fast and I am sure they can kind of, I don't know what event it was, but maybe it was someone tweeted out that Blue Butterfly.

Robin Heinze:

I can probably think of what event it was, but

Mazen Chami:

Well,

Jamon Holmgren:

I saw it from the other side because I saw people on Blue Sky spontaneously. Someone came up with the, I don't know who came up with the idea, but they spontaneously were like, Hey, everybody go over to the other social media platform and post just this emoji on this day. And so people scheduled tweets and whatever. And so it was definitely coordinated on the Blue Sky side. Now obviously, I think that's kind of one of the things with social media, you sort of have an inflection point of, oh, my friends are over there, so then you'll go, but

Robin Heinze:

Exactly, it's not successful. You're going to go nowhere until you have this concentration of users enough because the community makes the platform way more than the actual tech does. You're there because people are there.

Jamon Holmgren:

So another big thing to kind of wrap things up, Shopify finished their rewrite of their main app. They did I think a rewrite of their shop app in React Native, and we had a couple of episodes over the past couple of years talking with Shopify developers, including Colin Gray, but they shared their success story and it was a very positive story for the React native community. And so that was cool. And Expo SDKA 52 came out, which has tree shaking and react server component support and there's expo workflows as well. So we really wrapped up the year very strong. And now we need to move into, we're already getting too long. Let's move into our wrap up and predictions for 2025. So who wants to go first?

Robin Heinze:

I can go first. So my prediction for 2025 is basically in a word expo, everyone's going to be using Expo. I think anybody who's still holding out, they're going to move over, especially with the end of App center, the introduction of expo workflows. I think you're going to see a lot more really deep integration all the way from the app itself through ci, the app store, the full pipeline is going to be expo and we really won't see the posts on Reddit and places of saying like, oh, should I use Expo or should I stick with vanilla? I think it's just not going to be a question anymore.

Mazen Chami:

I think if you're holding out on Expo, check out the multiple demos that are out there of it to help convince you. I

Robin Heinze:

Think 2025 will be the year that the questions stop.

Jamon Holmgren:

And I should mention for Infinite Red, we can help you migrate if you need to migrate over to Expo, we're pretty good at that at this point. David just put his,

Robin Heinze:

I got his right hat. Company owner hat on.

Jamon Holmgren:

These developers aren't cheap. I got to pay the bills. That's a good one. What do you think should be fixed in 2025, but probably won't be Robin.

Robin Heinze:

Android emulators will always be slow and janky and

Jamon Holmgren:

That's a good one.

Robin Heinze:

I don't think anyone will ever fix those.

Mazen Chami:

That's probably true. Mazen, what do you have? So for me, my prediction will be there'll be more focus or adoption growth of web. So instead of saying if you want to use web, you'll have what? 80% co-chair? I think it'll be closer to higher, closer to a hundred, maybe not a hundred percent, but close to it, say 95%. So I think everyone will be doing the whole iOS, Android, and web more. My prediction makes sense to me. What do you think should, that's not a prediction of me saying I'm going to be pitching that to my client early next year. Also,

Jamon Holmgren:

What do you think should be fixed next year but probably won't be.

Mazen Chami:

I'm going to be that lame person that says nothing. Just keep on the trajectory that it's on because it keeps growing. And I don't think, I don't know how to put this, but in the past we said React native was going through growing pains. I don't think there's any more growing pains. I think it's now just becoming more mature as we go. So nothing should be fixed essentially it just continue growing is my thought on

Jamon Holmgren:

That. Yeah, I think that makes sense and it is kind of the trajectory we're on my prediction. I'm going to go way out on a limb. My prediction is that version 1.0 or an equivalent will come out, so it'll either be 1.0, it'd be version 84.0, something like that. 0.0. We'll see if I'm right.

Robin Heinze:

What would make a version equivalent to 1.0 in your eyes?

Jamon Holmgren:

Anything above or equal to 1.0.

Robin Heinze:

Okay. Well you said 1.0 or the equivalent. What's the equivalent?

Jamon Holmgren:

Equivalent meaning maybe they skip 1.0 and just go React went from I think zero point 16 or zero point 15 to 16.0 so they never had a 1.00.

Robin Heinze:

Interesting. I see.

Jamon Holmgren:

So React native could do the same is what I'm saying? Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. We had a long discussion about it. Yeah,

Robin Heinze:

Either. So either of they'll do it. Okay. You're right. I think either they'll do it this year or they'll never do it.

Mazen Chami:

Okay. That's quite a, you're saying 2025 is the year to do it or not,

Robin Heinze:

Right? I was say if they're going to do it, now is the logical time, and if this does not meet their criteria for a logical time, I think it's just going to be zero forever.

Jamon Holmgren:

I think 1.0 won't come out until

Mazen Chami:

Late in the year though.

Robin Heinze:

Yeah.

Mazen Chami:

So hey React Native Core team, Robin is giving you the infamous saying do it or

Jamon Holmgren:

Get

Mazen Chami:

Off.

Robin Heinze:

We just gave them an ultimatum

Jamon Holmgren:

What should be fixed in 2025, but probably won't be. I would love to have a replacement for Coca Pods and Gradle

Robin Heinze:

Here. Here. I shouldn't have to install Ruby on my machine

Jamon Holmgren:

And exactly. Let's reduce the amount of steps it takes to install and work on a React native app. Let's just bring it down to something that's powered by Node and pretty straightforward. Or maybe you can just NPM install and it does a linking step. That would just be amazing.

Mazen Chami:

It would be nice to do development on an iPad or smaller than a laptop

Jamon Holmgren:

Type

Mazen Chami:

Device.

Robin Heinze:

You're really thinking in the future. Why not?

Jamon Holmgren:

I just want to,

Mazen Chami:

That

Robin Heinze:

Sounds awesome.

Jamon Holmgren:

Code from my phone using my voice. Ai. Ai, do it all. I knew that's where Jim was going

Mazen Chami:

With that one.

Jamon Holmgren:

I have built and released an entire app from my phone in bed.

Robin Heinze:

Not

Jamon Holmgren:

An app, but it was a web app.

Robin Heinze:

Didn't one of our devs, I guess he's been on Mark, so people know him. He released an app to the app store once while he was literally skydiving.

Jamon Holmgren:

Yeah, yeah. I guess that one UPS me being in bed. That's true.

Robin Heinze:

That

Jamon Holmgren:

Was pretty cool. He even has a YouTube video of it. But let's wrap this up. I do want to say a bunch of thank yous. I want to thank you two very much. So my compatriots here with the podcast, you actually had to do quite a bit more hosting, like primary hosting this year. I was in and out for various

Robin Heinze:

Reasons. Mazen took a lot of episodes this year.

Jamon Holmgren:

He did thank you

Robin Heinze:

Very much for various different reasons, but he really stepped up.

Jamon Holmgren:

Yeah, it was really cool to see both your growth not only in React Native radio, but also giving your first talks. Really proud of you two, you're awesome. And it's just been, thank you. Super wonderful to have you as co-hosts. I also want to thank Todd and Jed, our editors who have to deal with us saying every other word. I actually did, I imported the last episode into DS script, which allows you to kind of analyze a recording. There were 976 filler words in that episode. That was rough. So it's just Jed and Todd are amazing. They really hold the bar very high and they work very hard on every episode. And I want to thank Justin as well, Justin Husky who has taken over and really refined our release process and made it so that everybody has the right information at the right time.

Jamon Holmgren:

He's amazing at promoting the episodes, making sure that when we put in this time, it's actually worth it because people are out there hearing about it. If you heard about React Native Radio, it was probably because of Justin. So huge thank you there as well. Thanks to everybody else, all of our guests. We had amazing guests this year. So many people Zen by the way. He takes on way too many side jobs. One of his side jobs was coordinating with yes and making sure that they got on at the right time and all these amazing guests. They were fantastic. It was just like, I don't know. And we already have half our year planned out next year, so it's going to be pretty interesting next year. So stay tuned. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. And yeah, thanks to Company Infinite Red, everybody supporting us there. Really privileged to get a chance to talk about Nerd Out about this stuff on React Native Radio. Of course, a thank you to you listeners, you all, as Robin said before, are the reason that we get to do this and it's just so much fun and I hope you all have a wonderful time off and this season of the year, and we will see you all in the year. Bye,

Jed Bartausky:

As always, thanks to our editor, Todd Werth, our assistant editor, Jed Bartausky, our marketing and episode release coordinator, Justin Huskey and our guest coordinator, Mazen Chami. Our producers and hosts are Jamon Holmgren, Robin Hines and Mazen Chami. Thanks to our sponsor, infinite Red. Check us out at infinite.red/radio. A special thanks to all of you listening today. Make sure to subscribe to React Native Radio on all the major podcasting platforms.